Straight Guys Sucking a Bud off True Stories
|sxrebel13||She's BBW, cute, looks much younger than her age. Very, very hot and multi-ogasmic. He's bi, passionate and bottoms. Both attractive. She's a little chubby and very juicy. He's in shape and interesting...We're looking for classy, mellow bisexual guys who are 8++++++. We can't overemphasize this. Size does matter! Good conversation is sexy as are cleanliness and gentlemanly ways. We prefer educated Latin and Black men but are open to encounters with cool White guys who understand and appreciate diversity. Sorry, we're not into cowboys, thugs, dominants of any race. We enjoy gang bang porno in which the woman is being pleasured out of her mind! She likes porn with guys sucking and fu__king each other. He likes her liking this but he enjoys porn with two or more guys doing a willing woman--with no abuse or excessive domination. Same goes for us. We are not interested in abuse or domination. Preferable that you meet him first in a nice bar or nice restaurant setting to test the chemistry. He's interested in meeting you for action not just words. He knows what he likes and what she wants!|
|BoredInPVC||31yo crossdressing Guy who loves to wear slutty PVC.
Not overly fussy about what I'm looking for, I guess ideal situation would be MMF, would love to try wanking and sucking a guy off. But I'm also happy with any single guys or girls out there looking for a bit of fun with me and my thigh boots!|
|Bicraver29||I'm bisexual, but quite a novice. I love girls and guys of all shapes and colors, bbw girls, chubby guys, thin guys. I'm really open to all as long as there is a connection.|
|bigcoc23||Here mainly for friendships. Not looking to hook up. Just looking for good friends and people to talk to and discuss life and stories.|
|waterboy00001||Just a laid back professional guy looking for bi sexual/bi curious males for discreet encounters. Like straight acting males; MARRIED GUYS ARE A PLUS.++++++
Enjoy having sex w/male while female watches and then participates.|
|handyman311||32yr old bi-curious male 420 friendly looking for girls and guys to get sexual with NO GUYS OVER 40YRS OLD!!! IF YOU ARE OVER THE AGE OF 40 AND ARE A GUY DO NOT MSG ME... |
|Susurrus||I'm married, but I fantasize sometimes...I write erotic stories, many of which are explorations of my sexuality. I can't hook up realtime, but I like to meet new people, male, female or couples, it doesn't matter to me.|
|aBudforU||55yo gay. into making guys feel good no strings, servicing married/str8/bi guys one on one or in a group or with an audience, love outdoor sex|
|bobandjeannie||Married for 11 years, known each other for 33 years. Both VERY bi, though with very few partners.
Jeannie loves guys, but had one relationship with her roommate many years ago. More recently, she made love to another woman, while hubbies participated.
Bob loves women (duh!), but has also loved some very close male friends. s being sucked, loves sucking a beautiful thing (male or female).
Jeannie loves being loved by either gender. It all works.|
|fantasyoral||bi - enjoy pics, vids and stories of m/m oral. Have now started acting on these urges and enjoy oral|
|csacowboy||I am feeling sexual more and more towards the guys. Don't get me wrong, I still love the ladies but am really diggin' on sex with guys. I am an outgoing guy who is comfortable to be around. Strangers are only friends I haven't met. Enjoy nudity and being around others who do too.
I now have a female who is interested in another female joining us.
She is not interested in another male.|
|sdcouple0001||My wife and I have been married over 30 years. I am a white guy; 5'10; 190#; pretty fit for my age. She is Asian; 5'; a little overweight. We are happily married and enjoy sex together but also enjoy getting together with another couple for some sexual fun. WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR SINGLE GUYS OR MARRIED GUYS PLAYING ALONE. Please get back to us if you are interested in talking about getting together. We have more pictures to share.|
|bibidav|| I want to find a couple who likes to play strip poker. This can lead to wonderful was to loose a round of poker. I love sucking cock and eating pussy. I have sucked black cocks ( two times-2 different cocks- via this website) but never licked a black pussy. I want to get better, I want to practice whenever the opportunity is available. Some members have sent me a letter, I try to answer all relevant mail asap. I am very up front. I don't say one thing and mean another. I love sex, but don't have to be in love to have sex. I work out regularly, I enjoy music, except rap. I am very oral on men and women. I like to suck as much as be sucked. I have met some and had fun. I have met others where we all parted ways. I have met some guys, who said they were bi, but they just want a blow job and absolutely nothing else. I am not interested in that kind of meeting. I have been to bi-m parties and swinger m and f parties, not frequently but I am not a virgin at such happenings.|
|cjbicouple||Bi couple looking for a bi/bi-curious female who is willing to play with both of us. We are willing to travel. Please, no straight or single men! All interested should be hwp. We would like to meet for drinks or dinner to see if there is mutual interest, and take it from there... We are an attractive, open couple looking to have some uninhibited fun . Outwardly, we are laid back and mellow, but once we're naked....it’s time to let go and make some noise…. We are interested in threesomes and foursomes, but only with those females who are bisexual or bicurious. We are not interested in any bisexual men, straight men or straight women at this point in time.|
|Traveler512||I have always been curious sexually and really enjoy both voyeurism and exhibitionism. I am probably more bi-sexual at this point than just bi-curious. I have had a few experiences and have enjoyed them all. I guess I can share a few with you.
I talked my wife into going to a swinger's club just to watch 6 or 7 years ago. We both really enjoyed the atmospher and the voyeurism. She was afraid that people would approach her or would pressure us to have sex with them; but that didn't happen and the people were actually very friendly, nice and sociable. Since then we have been to dozens of clubs together (most of these clubs only allow couples). I would love to swing and swap partners with another couple; but my wife is not ready to see me with another women.
About 5 years ago, we went to a club in New York city. They have a policy that if you want to go back into the play rooms, you have to take your clothes off. My wife decided to humor me; so we got naked and joined the action. She was seated on a couch and I was in front of her eating her out while a large black guy was doing the same to his girlfriend who was sitting right next to my wife. I watch as he slowly slid up and placed his huge cock at the entrance to his girlfriend's pussy. I couldn't take my eyes off of his cock, but as I glanced down at my wife, I saw that she was watching the same thing that I was. After a few minutes, the guys politely asked if he could feel my wife's 34G breasts. I turned to her and whispered in to her ear, "he asked me if he could feel your breasts?". She surprised me by saying, "Really? He actually asked you if he could feel my tits?". I said, "Yes". So she said "OK". I turned back to the guy and gestured for him to help himself. As he reached over to caress her boobs, I slowly inserted my cock into my wife's pussy. I couldn't believe how wet she was.
After a minute, the guy removed his hand, so I leaned forward to say thank you to my wife. But she surprised me again and said "I bet you would like to see him fuck me with that huge cock, wouldn't you?" I just nodded and then said "why? would you do it?" She said "yes." As quick as I could, before she changed her mind, I turned to the black guy and asked him if we would like to fuck my wife. In the blink of an eye, he reached for another condom, opened the package with one hand, pulled out of his girlfriend and unrolled the condom onto his gigantic cock. I quickly moved up next to my wife so I had a good view and then the guy slowly started to inch his thick dick into my wife's dripping cunt. A thousand emotions flashed through my mind in that moment; but I was out of my mind turned on. Anyway, he very fucked her very sensuously for a few minutes until my wife came. He wasn't finished but politely pulled out and went back to fucking his girlfriend. Nothing has come close to the excitement of that moment. I have been hooked on watching my wife fuck and suck other men ever sense.
We attended a few gang-bang parties where lots of pre-screened men show up to allow women to fuck as many guys as they want. I really got off watching my wife pick out the guys and blow or fuck them. Next we found a straight guy on the internet that my wife was willing to meet for a MFM threesome. He was a nice guy and we met him 5 or six times. During one of those meetings, I slid up behind my wife while she was riding his cock and inserted my dick into her ass. She went absolutely crazy. She is usually very quite during sex, but this time she was yelling and screaming "God YES!! Fuck Me!". She came like crazy over and over. We did that again once and it was just as good the second time; but then that guy got a girlfriend and didn't want to play anymore.
We have met up with about half-dozen other men. One of them had a beautiful dick about 8 inches long but a reasonable width. He saw me fascinated by his dick and asked me if I wanted to touch it. I shyly said yes. Then I took ahold of it and slowly started to stroke it up and down. I wanted so bad to take into my mouth but was afraid i would freak him out; so instead I offered it back to my wife. After that, I couldn't stop thinking about sucking a cock.
I finally found an adult bookstore where I read that all types attended. Gay guys are the most common, but bi-guys and women looking for gang-bangs also show up from time-to-time. I visited there several times and had witnessed some interesting things; but on this one particular evening, there was only me and one other guy in the place. He was sitting on the other side of the room looking strangely at each other. He suddenly got up and walk over to me. He was standing in front of me and he said "Hi, my name is Joe". I said "Hi." He then asked me if I ever sucked a cock before and I said "No." He then said "Would you like to?" I said, "Yes. I think I would." He then pulled his shorts down and off. He wasn't wearing any underwear so his flaccid penis was directly in front of my face. It looked really small, and I was actually a bit surprised. But I leaned forward and placed my lips around his entire shaved cock and balls. It felt really strange: spongy and soft yet rubbery at the same time. He immediately started to get hard; and within a few seconds, it had grown to a couple of inches. So I started moving my mouth up and down on his cock while he stood in front of me. I was enjoying the fact that I could take his entire cock in my mouth; but that didn't last long. His dick kept on growing and was soon too big to fit comfortably in my mouth without gagging; so I moved my hand up and started stroking his shaft while moving my lips and tongue on the head. I felt a strange sense of power at that point that was out of character for me. I reached up, grabbed his hips and turned up toward the couch and made him sit down. I then moved between his legs and continued to give him a blow job. I was afraid he might come in my mouth; so I started jacking his cock with both hands paying extra attention to his frenulum while teasing his head. He started moaning like crazy and saying "Oh my god, I'm going to come!" I stroked his shaft more trying not to touch the head hoping that it would stretch it out; but he soon shot a rope of come up over my head. I really couldn't believe it. It happened so fast and afterwards, I was disappointed that I didn't let him come in my mouth. I really wanted to know what it would have felt like to have that powerful shot of come hitting the back of my throat. At that point, the owner of the shop popped his head in the door and shouted out that it was closing time. We picked up our things and left. I went straight out to my car and masturbated to one the most powerful orgasms of my life. Again, I was hooked.
I went back to that same bookstore a couple of months later. This time, I told my wife that I wanted to jerk-off another guy and she said "Ok. You can play with other guys; just no playing with other women." I hadn't told her about my first experience. I'm sure she would have been fine with it; but for some reason just felt like something I should keep to myself. I had a few more bookstore experiences; but the fear of STS's keeps me from going back there. I got the curiosity out of my system; so now I only want more traditional experiences.
My wife and I were approached by a guy who listed himself as bi and seemed nice and cute. My wife, knowing that I wanted to suck a cock but not knowing that I already had, asked me if I wanted to try a threesome with him. I jumped at it and we did hook up with the guy. My wife and I started out by sharing his cock with each of us taking turns sucking and licking his head or shaft. We moved to the bed and my wife continued to blow him while he sucked my dick. My god, did he know how to suck cock! Anyway, he came in my wife's mouth and she swallowed it all. He got up to go to the bath room and my wife turned to me and said "Oh my god, he tasted so good. You would have loved it!" I was really disappointed then. From that point on, I couldn't get the idea of swallowing a load of cum out of my mind. We found another bi-guy that joined us for a play date and I finally got taste my first load of cum only he didn't cum much so I barely knew it happened.
I have never tried anal sex with a man (giving or getting); but I do fantasize about it. I guess that would have to be under the right conditions. At this point, I am really up for trying just about anything once. The only thing I am not into is male-on-male intimacy like hugging and kissing and I am not really into getting my nipples pinched or sucked. I would, however, really like to find a bi-guy for some occasional fun when the urge strikes (him or me). I would love to find someone that I trust enough to play with from time to time - no strings attached - that won't turn into a drama and wonit disrupt my otherwise normal life. While my wife accepts my needs when it comes to other men; I still prefer to keep it discrete and private.|
|sanditan||bisexual couple love to have fun with other guys and girls|
|Simon47||Sincere, caring, passionage man who likes to please the one he is with. Likes kissing, hugging, voyeurism, nudity, sucking and being sucked, with a man or a woman.|
we are always looking for Bi Guys for us. The vast majority of guys, however, end up being way out of our area or really hairy or way too old for us. Sometimes we think that we are just in the wrong area, since we always seem to see nice-looking guys that almost always are looking for straight encounters or are out of our area.
It's not easy being a married Bi guy with a straight wife looking for Bi guys that we both like.
|shelli_k18||I can understand this, but I am wondering, if they put down bicurious, or bisexual? Some sites have this distinction, I've explored both sides, so I am very able to say bisexual, but it's also true that I've not had sex with a male in over 2 yrs. That I'm more attracted to females, and that I feel awkward around men. The thing is, I don't know how to act around some guys, I want to act my feminine self, and be coy and actively seek their attention, but with their wives there it's the straight 'acting' knee jerk reaction to explore that option first. Truth is, I've been with straight couples, and the man wants nothing to do with me. But I'm bi, and I think it's true that I feel most humans are bisexual, just don't know what they are missing, so instead of pushing their limits and getting kicked out again, I gravitate to the ladies... |
I think these straight acting bi's are just that, all talk, but when you push them for male on male action, you might be surprised by what they are willing to do...
|carol_danny||Just an update:|
It's been close to 6 years since we first made this post, and just a few days ago, on Saturday night, we had a Gang-Bang with all the same guys as were there back then! My old BP friend came in for it, and I actually had 2 other guys that I met right here on BP also show up. All together, there was 7 guys ( well 8 including Danny)
We had 4 Bi Guys and 4 straight guys. Lets just say the "straight" guys can no longer be considered "straight". By the end of the night, all 4 had sucked at least one cock, and one of the guys even let Danny fuck him in the ass! But the problem with playing with so many Bi-Guys is that they end up stealing all the CUM! I only had one guy finish in my mouth!
I just posted this as I thought it was quite fun having all the same guys 6 years later, and not even as a plan!
|Cboyvers||I agree that this is one of the most open and interesting topics I've seen. My 2 cents worth; I have had many conversations with men, straight/gay/bi/? and almost to a man the straight guys are the most understanding. Not that they are interested in trying it but they have an honest curiosity about the feel of anal penetration. I've found most gay men are overly insistent about their repulsion with straight sex.|
Women however are altogether different. Straight women, in my experiences, are attracted if they assume 1. I'm Gay, 2. I'm Straight. I can only guess this has to do with the fact that culturally women call the sexual shots in straight relationships, The final word rests with them, I am not speaking of abusive relationships in which the woman is forced, and maybe they find a man who calls his own shots regardless of gender less than ideal as a potential mate. "At least when he's with the guys he isn't screwing them." I've been told. I also think that men are assumed to be more sex driven and therefore more at risk disease wise. I have seen this to be true for both sexes and in pretty much equal terms.
The stigma of Bi-sexuality for men seems to be more relationship driven to me. Bi-women as a turn on to straight men seems a bit sexist,"They look hot, like they enjoy it but what they really want is my cock!" Yep I've heard that too,
What gets me is when straight women ask if I think their guy is hot! ch 22. They actually want to know if I'd do their man but don't want to be involved. It's a crazy mixed up world and Bi men are not at the head of the list.
|BareProf||Thanks to all who replied. For many years I never told anyone about my first cock sucking experience. It seems there are lots of guys who have and will suck cock. This site is a great way to share stories.|
|Sweet_harem_girl||During my marriage, my ex told me I was the worse cock sucker there was, that he could suck cock better then I could.|
Now, I've got a couple of guys who say just the opposite.
I think it all has to do with the reaction of the guy who's cock I'm sucking. My ex would just lay there, no sounds, no words of encouragement or anything. Might as well have been sucking a dildo.
If the man is clearly enjoying my efforts and makes it quite clear he is, the true cocksucker in me cums out to play.
|roundnroundupndown||Bi is bi, and the thing is that bi people can get involved with straight people, and that straight person, being open-minded, will accept their partner's sexuality. It's just more acceptable for bi females (in my area, most women aren't interested in bi males!!!) and I'd like to see that change, but it won't for a while. And judging those straight guys w/bi girlfriends as just going for the fantasy of being w/ 2 women isn't always accurate. Many times, when the ladies play together, the men get left out for at least a little while, and those straight guys have come to terms with that.|
|regular_guy||Carol_Danny..... You hit the nail on the head in your post, but there is more to it, and every case is different. The double standard of the guy "allowing" his female partner to explore her "BI" side with him but not allowing her to even enjoy a threesome with two straight guys has a lot to do with his inner security in two parts: scared she might like the other guy better better, and scared that the other guy might touch him while in the bed. Hetro guys are funny in these ways.... and for those reading who are hetro guys or with hetro guys, I am not grouping all hetro guys into the same box... I have hetro guy friends who make me proud to have them in my life the way they handle them selves and their relationships. But this is reason that Bi women in the "swinging" lifestyle don't mess with guys, especially bi-guys. |
Now another reason Bi-women only want other women is because this lifestyle is a haven for us whore men who will screw anything, and these bi-women can get a man whenever they want whether they are single or in a M/F relationship. It is not what they are looking for.
Now these reasons do not cover why a woman, bi or straight, would say to a bi-guy "any man who gets into another man is a disgusting faggot!" For this I have no clue....
I naturally have always assumed that women, be them bi or straight, liked bi guys. My very first experience with this was when i was 18 and I was dating a woman who was also 18... in my attempts to get to third base with her I get her into a game of truth or dare, and a truth she answered was to a question about what was the hottest porn she had ever watched, and she matter of factly answered it was a porn where a guy was swimming in a pool and got out went over to his stuff, laid back and through his hips over his head and started sucking his own cock..... This was from a straight 18 year old girl. Every MMF threesome I have been in since, the woman had alway said something to me in the meet and greet that went something like: The best kind of guy is a bi guy, he is secure in his manhood, and is willing to do whatever it takes to please his woman.
|goodfelt||I agree we all have our stories all I can |
say for myself I was nervous too but I
have thanked my two 8th grade buddies
for introducting me to the pleasures of
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I am now 55 living in New Orleans
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|joeaz||It Has Been My Experience. Most of the Guys That Say They Are Straight and Cannot Find a woman, Are Are Looking For Discrete Relationship Windup E-mailing A Bisexual or Gay Man For Some Kind of They Are Not Being TrueFull with Their Self. Or Their uality They Never Think And Let Their Little Head Do the Thinking |
PS. This Is Not Intended For All of the Straight Guys Just Want to Do Not Think
|Firedawgash||I to was confused at first. This subject has come up before and I think the answers fall inot a few main catagories. |
The single men who post here are searching for bisexual ladies to have a MFF threesome with. Also some "straight" guys are not so straight. You have to read between the lines to realize they do have bisexual curiosities but are not comfortable with discussing them.
The straight ladies here seem to post for the same reason single guys do, to have a MMF threesome (god love you ladies who enjoy us Bi guys!). Other straight ladies say they find bisexual men to be better freinds and lovers and are looking for companionship with a bisexual man.
As a Bisexual guy I can't claim to speak for any "straight" person, I'm just throwing out my observations. So what do you say BP members; am I close, fairly close, or waaaay off the mark and talking out my butt again....lol
|licknjerk||I have been with many guys and continue to blow many. My best was sucking off ten guys at a party. sucking cock while being watched|
|Firedawgash||Everyone is busy the 10th it would seem..lol, maybe the 17th then for everyone? |
I have a bunch of straight friends male and female who love going to Trino's because it's so much fun and it's not so much of a "meat market" atmosphere as straight clubs. I used to like knowing I didn't have to worry about jen getting hit on by guys all night when I wasn't around..lol.
Havn't heard of stoneys inn or club capri, I was just looking for a fun place, where people can dance and the us bi guys can be ourselves. (which means a gay club, no one cares if girls dance together at straight clubs but let us guys try the same and OH BOY!).
jen is planning on coming back early August for a week, so we will most likely being going then as well. I can't wait to see her again and she's only been gone 2 days.
|lovecocksandpussy||i have always fancied sucking or recieving and giving a cock to a fella especially in the guys showers when so many horny cocks are on display. but been a rugged tough macho type male i have always wondered what a woman would think of me been pleasured by a cock. would straight women consider me a freak a shirtlifter a poof not man enough to be with a real woman. would they laugh and humiliate me for liking men. i think its a lot harder for someone like me who has liked straight women most of my life but now want to try cock and pussy. also trying my first cock would be so nervous and embarrassing for me any good tips ladies.|
|bihim_str8her||This is a question that has come up a few times over the last couple of years we have been here. We have read all the many reasons why they should or should not be here.|
The Playground does welcome everyone. So just be aware of who you start a dialog with and what their agenda might be. We have met some guys who have claimed to be "single bisexual males" and found that they are married and have no interests in even touching my husband. So if a guy says he is straight, maybe he is really bisexual, but not yet ready to come to terms with the "label". We all have our reasons for being here.
I don't see having the straight guys here any different than having the gay guys here.
Just give them both a chance. You may find they're some pretty interesting people.
|OrallyFixated36||I'm confused...I thought you were seeking an opposite sex BJ because your profile says [Straight, Seeking Women], but you mentioned in the other thread that you would be alright with a guy sucking your dick. Does this put you in the Straight, but Homo-Flexible category? Thanks for clarifying... ~Chris|
|NHoral||3 Men 1 Wife|
I, (the wife) have had a few experiences with 3-men. My husband loved it and so did I. What I loved the most was sucking a cock while I was having my cunt eaten and the third guy was sucking my tits. I loved looking over and seeing my husband masterbating as he watched....then he joined in by rimming my ass. I just came and came. Nothing like having the ok from the husband to have what you want. 3 men is the maximum I have ever done, but I love sucking cock and having a guy suck and lick my cunt. Of course I love to be fucked. Husband is bi and loves to suck off the guys after I am done with them. He always swallows and loves the feel of hot cum shooting down his throat. Once in a while I get to steal a guys load from him. After everyone goes home we just fuck and suck each other for a couple of hours reemanising on what happened earlier. Try it you will love it !
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|Rilis||Cousins & Brothers|
These stories are great and I would love to do them all and to have more to write about!!!
|smoggytomcat||Bisexual Men For Woman|
I have no idea why this isn't a hot topic.I like to perform for my lady,she's is why I'm bi.I love suck + fucking a man because alot of ladies get turned on by that.I always believe in pleasing the lady in all her desires.Always been straight until the lady thought it would be nice to see me sucking acock+ getting taught the ways of the anally inclined.that is what started me on this bisexual adventure,seeing her thrilled in my explorations.
I like to lick and suck a guys balls while I am sucking his cock.
I love hearing stories of girls who let their dog lick their pussy
|Cinciguy||Bisexual Men Giving Oral|
Hey everyone, started when i was 13 at summer camp... loved it and instead of trading with a few guys it became me sucking them all
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